tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2585163331194032530.post2171410959608260914..comments2023-11-02T09:08:08.645-04:00Comments on We Love Soaps: COUNTDOWN: 25 Biggest Blunders In Daytime Soap Opera History (20-16)Kevhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13659344675956886092noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2585163331194032530.post-64491577802989363402013-01-19T01:16:54.587-05:002013-01-19T01:16:54.587-05:00Re: #20
Ryan Murphy refuses to learn the lessons ...Re: #20<br /><br />Ryan Murphy refuses to learn the lessons from Blunder #20. A lot of producers/showrunners/writers seem to revel in giving the TMZ's and Perez Hilton's of the world daily spoilers so they can be put on a pedestal over their actors. Meanwhile the result is plummeting ratings...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09342435919725834268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2585163331194032530.post-24307726120838788662011-10-01T12:37:58.984-04:002011-10-01T12:37:58.984-04:00The worse thing they did for me was not give Luke ...The worse thing they did for me was not give Luke and Reid a happy ending. Contrary to several remarks here, Reid Oliver was one of the few popular things at the end of this show and Eric Sheffer Stevens made a tremendous impact and was a much better match with Van Hansis. Most of the fanbase was for a Reid/Luke pairing at the end not the immature, toxic 'first love' Nuke, who were so woefully boring and unsuited to each other. Ditto for the horrible way Nancy's death was shoved under the carpet while Janet's father got a 3 day funeral!!! Also, the gay community should have been way insulted for Luke Snyder, a legacy character, being left devastated at the end. What a travesty. I will never again watch anything that Chris Goutman is connected to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2585163331194032530.post-3880660817379564292011-09-19T10:24:30.216-04:002011-09-19T10:24:30.216-04:00Could not agree more with the commenents about how...Could not agree more with the commenents about how disgraceful Eileen Fulton/Lisa's final ATWT scenes were. I too was hoping they'd bring Grant back and he and Lisa would reunite and ride off together (similarly to how Alexandra and Fletcher had done on GL's finale); speaking of GL, I do give them credit at least trying something different, when they switched to their new production model (though agree, the end results were less than dazzling), but at least they did try to think outside of the box. My only disappointment with regard to GL's finale (which was overall teriffic)was that they did not work in Rita Stapleton Bauer (my all-time favourite GL character). Since she left in 1981, presumably pregnant with either Ed's or Alan's baby, it would have been really cool to have resolved that one, but I guess it remains a mystery.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2585163331194032530.post-37927021192306082382011-09-13T12:26:14.621-04:002011-09-13T12:26:14.621-04:00I never had a problem with the various casting dec...I never had a problem with the various casting decisions regarding Roman and John. What I did think sunk John's storylines was that the show could never settle on who John actually was. He's a jewel thief! No, he's an Alamai! No's, he's a priest! No, he's a DiMera!<br /><br />I don't think any soap has ever messed up a character's backstory as much as DOOL did with John.Greg Andrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2585163331194032530.post-42923760691993603572011-09-10T16:18:13.609-04:002011-09-10T16:18:13.609-04:00Oh come on. Radio soaps would have went the way o...Oh come on. Radio soaps would have went the way of westerns by the 1970s eventually. Very doubtful we would have enjoyed them for "years to come." More like another 5 or 10 years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2585163331194032530.post-37014002095737748562011-09-10T14:27:08.884-04:002011-09-10T14:27:08.884-04:00I loved GL's production model. It achieved the...I loved GL's production model. It achieved the goal of making it more realistic. And for me, more realistic meant less corny like the rest of the soaps. But then again, I was only introduced to GL during the Otalia story in '09 so, as you said, telling good story sooner could have made all the difference.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2585163331194032530.post-69187859290521556762011-09-09T19:48:34.660-04:002011-09-09T19:48:34.660-04:00You are spot on with ATWT. With news of the cance...You are spot on with ATWT. With news of the cancellation I held high hopes that, knowing it was over and there was only one chance to do things right, CG would come through. What we got told us plainly he couldn't have cared less. The single thing they did right in the last year- casting Eric Sheffer Stevens as Dr. Reid Oliver- CG destroyed in the shows final days. Ignoring the vets, refusing to give fans the Lily they wanted to see for the short time we had left- Barbara spending the summer in a warehouse talking to a puppet.. Janet, Janet JANET. It was obvious TPTB held had no feeling for the legacy of ATWT at all and felt real contempt for its fans.Laurahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16610921254446511078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2585163331194032530.post-61669737120535973692011-09-09T09:43:48.161-04:002011-09-09T09:43:48.161-04:00I totally agree about Chris Goutman's criminal...I totally agree about Chris Goutman's criminal mismanagement of ATWT. At the end the show revolved around Janet and her family, characters no one cared about. The writing was horrible and nothing made sense--all the good writers had apparently jumped ship when the cancellation was announced. Likable characters were ignored to focus on unlikeable newcomers such as Dr. Oliver (and the ratings dropped in response). There "wasn't time" for a proper Luke and Noah reunion or for some Lisa closure yet the show wasted half an episode on Reid's uncle, a character no one had seen before or cared about. Chris Goutman is only good for one thing--making soaps unwatchable.KPHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08829831615749738509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2585163331194032530.post-9602638790254382922011-09-09T09:07:55.648-04:002011-09-09T09:07:55.648-04:00Bravo, love this list. still reading and still ra...Bravo, love this list. still reading and still ranting. First off I have often said that spoilers have played a part in the ruination of daytime for the very reasons that you mentioned. I can remember the days of the early 90's when all we had was recaps from the newspapers and maybe little blurb snippets of what to expect next on our favorite show. Gran loved to read the mags back then because they gave just enough information to make you want to watch. Flash forward and the soap mags pretty much tell you whats going to happen on friday's show and who did it. so if you get the magazine on thursday and you read it it pretty much screws up any chance of a friday cliffhanger. <br /><br />Atwt was notorious for spoiling their stories in the previews for the next day's show. and then when you figure a preview should be a snippet maybe a line here and there and three segments long at best,(ala days) there were five or six different moment's they'd show...too much information and most of the soaps were guilty of this. And ABC putting the promo that revealed the big todd secret what was that all about?<br /><br />I think any of us could write a whole dissertation on the mistreatment of ATWT. It's like Chris Goutman forgot that this was a multigenerational show ( i mean four generations of hughes, three of snyder and lets not forget the Stewarts) yet instead of focusing on these familes ( there should have been a lot more Casey, Luke, Will etc in my opinion) they give us Janet and the ciccone family and goutman's favorite Dusty. whom i have nothing against but still.<br /><br />Oh and on the spoiler front again, I must point out that we pretty much knew how atwt was going to end...back in June, JUly? I can remember very clearly knowing that our beloved REid oliver was going to be killed by a train thus leaving Luke alone and heartbroken. I won't even get into how this was done for the sake of a couple that made no sense (chris and katie)...and everyone else has already mentioned the mistreatment of Lisa. and so tell me what was the point of gabe or sofie, or sam, or Janet again?Jamilla Geterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06478639679727896843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2585163331194032530.post-9131251364901915262011-09-09T04:34:43.621-04:002011-09-09T04:34:43.621-04:00Goutman ruined my favorite female character Rosann...Goutman ruined my favorite female character Rosanna Cabot. I loved Cady's take on Rosanna the bitch, child, vixen, strong, assertive female CEO. HSheffer version her fireworks with Carly. the amazing Maura West the greatest sister act ever on daytime TV! Loved her romance with Block's Craig. But she didn't click with Paul they were amazing as friends but not lovers. Cady's breakdown on her chacter hysterectomy was Sheffer finest hour as a writer Cady was robbed of an Emmy. And Rosanna chitchat with Barbara on how she sexually used men was pure gold. But Goutman turned Rosanna into a babyneeding, whiny mess!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2585163331194032530.post-30917843556703791482011-09-09T02:18:47.529-04:002011-09-09T02:18:47.529-04:00I remember clearly in the early to mid 1990's,...I remember clearly in the early to mid 1990's, Y&R and B&B were not included in certain spoiler sections in Soap Opera Weekly, Soap Opera Magazine, and Soap Opera Digest. Such as what day was a must watch day or record day. I always assume that was a Bell decision.Jonathan.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12991311854070002093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2585163331194032530.post-68525926257887401482011-09-08T16:21:29.562-04:002011-09-08T16:21:29.562-04:00teehee, I remember that Nov 1984DOOL episode. I wa...teehee, I remember that Nov 1984DOOL episode. I was the only kid in my elementary class who couldn't wait to get home to see Days of our Lives the following Monday.Adrian Renniehttp://www.facebook.com/AdrianRennienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2585163331194032530.post-21082418871948110552011-09-08T15:17:59.904-04:002011-09-08T15:17:59.904-04:00Number 19 the multiple Romans storyline had way mo...Number 19 the multiple Romans storyline had way more issues than you commented on. Those were just at the surface. One that always stuck out at me, is they brought back Wayne and then gutted all of Roman's personality traits so that it made John the more sympathetic character. Had Wayne come back the same character he left, the outcome might have been different. The second problem that the show had was Marlena's feelings for John. She should have gone to therapy like a psychiatrist would do and worked through those feelings. Or atleast talked them over with a trusted friend. But instead, she let them fester up until she slept with John, cheating on Roman. That is something the Marlena we all knew would not have done in a million years. It totally undid years 15 years of morality this woman possessed on the show. We even understood why Sami took it so badly and did the things she did because of this betrayal. By purposely recasting and dumbing down Roman, that left John the hero and completely wiped away all hope of a Roman and Marlena reunion. Confusion was not what I felt during this time. Betrayed and manipulated was what I felt. Apparently though there were enough viewers that supported the John and Marlena coupling that destroying the character of Roman and Marlena's long held strength of character was worth it. It was a mistake and one that is even to this day 20 years later one that is hard to get beyond.marknsprmohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06313501340340902542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2585163331194032530.post-52070055662807525732011-09-08T04:12:58.228-04:002011-09-08T04:12:58.228-04:00I completely agree with the comments about ATWT, p...I completely agree with the comments about ATWT, particularly Eileen Fulton and Lisa. The woman practically begged for a storyline and got nothing. I have had a hard time getting angry about the cancellation of AMC and OLTL as I am still NOT over what was done to ATWT. That show had so much history and veteran characters on it when Goutman shoved it into a grave. Grrrr, one year later, the topic still makes me angry!Jodynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2585163331194032530.post-68565864084734592482011-09-07T23:43:06.147-04:002011-09-07T23:43:06.147-04:00Fantastic, and so on the money on GL and ATWT.Fantastic, and so on the money on GL and ATWT.P Ceehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07222604575997579135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2585163331194032530.post-12752160221345695542011-09-07T20:32:03.304-04:002011-09-07T20:32:03.304-04:00Lovin' this countdown!
I completely agree wit...Lovin' this countdown!<br /><br />I completely agree with #20. Years ago I took a few years break from watching my soap and when I returned, I was shocked by how much the shows spoiled their own storylines. A major part of soaps' appeal for me as a viewer was wondering what was going to happen next and it kept me tuning in. It became nearly impossible to stay spoiler free, and I found that knowing what was going to happen greatly diminished my enjoyment of the show.<br /> <br />I also applaud your diplomatic treatment of #16. I can't wait to see what other 15 things you ranked more highly,because to me, that is #1!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2585163331194032530.post-44399407644677094072011-09-07T20:06:45.103-04:002011-09-07T20:06:45.103-04:00As a big fan of ATWT I was really sad that the sho...As a big fan of ATWT I was really sad that the show gave Lisa no last storyline. While I enjoyed and cried when Nancy died I was really puzzled when her death was dealt with so quickly in such a wierd way ( no funeral? No mention of friends and relatives? They could have at least mentioned them. Days did such a nice storyline with Alice. Too bad ATWT choice to ignor the family history of the show. Emma Synder was gone months ealier and her character and that of Meg were damaged. They could bring the show back because they had established characters who could be brought back. Of course it is doubtful since PG wants to forget they had such a fantastic show. It wasn't a hip show but I liked it.timnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2585163331194032530.post-25155102735436211732011-09-07T18:10:09.626-04:002011-09-07T18:10:09.626-04:00I TOTALLY agree with #16 and the mismanagement of ...I TOTALLY agree with #16 and the mismanagement of ATWT. I am a HUGE Martha Byrne fan and I still can't believe the way she was treated when she left and the disrespect she was given when she was willing to go back and give us the Holden/Lily we were dying to see! Chris Goutman should've been fired a long time ago. Maybe then we wouldn't be talking about the cancellation of ATWT but still enjoying our beloved show. I have NO use for Chris Goutman and I'll be happy to continue to see him out of work just like he put so many great actors. Any show that would hire him is asking for the same doom given to ATWT.....Turbohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09200819375642688161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2585163331194032530.post-22999264705699814662011-09-07T18:08:02.550-04:002011-09-07T18:08:02.550-04:00Hopefully the absolutely insane firings of Virgini...Hopefully the absolutely insane firings of Virginia Dwyer, George Reinholt and Jacqueline Courtney on "Another World" will not be forgotten either!woodstockdadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18257804786232069087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2585163331194032530.post-6653399455058997442011-09-07T14:10:34.181-04:002011-09-07T14:10:34.181-04:00Fantastic article! I cannot wait to read the remai...Fantastic article! I cannot wait to read the remaining blunders. For sure I know my fave soap AMC will be on there. Bringing Erica's aborted son back was the worst thing they could of done for this soap. It made no sense, plus he was killed years later. AMC has been a trainwreck since 2001.luisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2585163331194032530.post-7441699621610773802011-09-07T14:08:27.571-04:002011-09-07T14:08:27.571-04:00Speaking of killing all the suspense (two Todds) a...Speaking of killing all the suspense (two Todds) and disrespect for the audience (ATWT), we can't forget that CG managed to pull of both of these cardinal sins AT THE SAME TIME with that dreadful TV Guide interview months before the finale where he basically telegraphed ALL the final pairings. Thanks for taking what little air there was left in the show's sails.<br /><br />Also count me as another ditto to those who loved many of GL's final stories. I had a recent epiphany about the "Lisa tribute" episode. At the time, I thought it was odd and "fine." Now with a little perspective, I realize it was a cheap and easy way to say that the show "honored" Lisa/Eileen's 50-year legacy....without actually having to write the storyline for her that she deserved. Having her final scene be a jealous piff at Lucinda and John was simply criminal.lovelurehttp://www.lukeandreid.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2585163331194032530.post-53255608834048591952011-09-07T13:40:21.930-04:002011-09-07T13:40:21.930-04:00Hi spiderweb55,
I'm still feeling bitter over...Hi spiderweb55,<br /><br />I'm still feeling bitter over the mismanagement of <i>ATWT</i> as well. For me, all 3 networks are guilty of acts of industrial sabatoge towards their daytime soaps.Greeneb2https://www.blogger.com/profile/16466719799496320519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2585163331194032530.post-87299728127194857602011-09-07T12:35:15.045-04:002011-09-07T12:35:15.045-04:00Wow, now I'm angry all over again about the tr...Wow, now I'm angry all over again about the treatment of Eileen Fulton and Lisa Miller Hughes etc. Terrific post. <br /><br />I would like to note that the middle finger of a finale actually started a few weeks before the actual episode, when ONE episode was dedicated to Helen Wagner/Nancy Hughes's passing. ONE. No Hughes characters were brought back to the canvas (and why would longtime viewers want to see old characters return when we could see more Ciccone family members?). Did I mention that ONE episode was dedicated to the passing away of the matriarch of the Hughes (and the show itself)? <br /><br />Yeah, I'm still bitter.spiderweb55https://www.blogger.com/profile/00477685453919577146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2585163331194032530.post-74831274679730133752011-09-07T12:09:45.832-04:002011-09-07T12:09:45.832-04:00Amen to number 19. John should have remained Roma...Amen to number 19. John should have remained Roman. The character lost all continuity. I lost interest in him because I didn't know who the heck he was. The humanity of the character was lost to me when he just kept switching.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2585163331194032530.post-55804956583886346592011-09-07T11:48:01.071-04:002011-09-07T11:48:01.071-04:00Amen to every word you said about ATWT. Goutman c...Amen to every word you said about ATWT. Goutman completely ruined the show. I would like to put Dr. Oliver at the top of the list of "new/unlikeable" characters that Goutman shoved in viewer's faces. I hope that the doctor - and the horrible way such a special couple as Luke and Noah were treated in the final months - will have their own "Blunder". Not allowing the fans to see a full-blown happy Nuke reunion was criminal.Cherylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16659771509509165718noreply@blogger.com